Agriculture Industry Agriculture Industry    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Dichloroacetate (DCA) is a cheap, proven cure for cancer.          Agriculture Industry Forum Index -> Agriculture Industry View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Useful Info Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:30 pm    Post subject: Dichloroacetate (DCA) is a cheap, proven cure for cancer. Full story at http://Muvy.org Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Matti Narkia Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Dichloroacetate (DCA) is a cheap, proven cure for cancer On 15 Apr 2007 05:30:17 -0700, "Useful Info" <useful_inf@yahoo.com> wrote: Quote: Full story at http://Muvy.org Cheap it perhaps may be, I don't know about that, but it is very far from being proven, and could be dangerous. If one has an incurable cancer, tetrathiomolybdate, a molybdenum compound available by prescription from compounding pharmacies, may be a safer option and is IMHO definitely worth considering. Tetrathiomolybdate is an experimental angiogenesis inhibitor, which works by reducing the amount of copper, which is needed in angiogenesis. Copper levels need to be closely monitored during tetrathiomolybdate therapy, so the doctor's supervision is vital. See my separate posts about tetrathiomolybdate in sci.med.diseases.cancer and alt.support.cancer. There also ongoing clinical trials: Clinical trials: Chemoradiation and Tetrathiomolybdate (TM) in Patients With Esophageal Carcinoma <http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00176800?order=1> Phase II Study of Tetrathiomolybdate (TM) in Patients With Breast Cancer Condition: Breast Cancer <http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00195091?order=2> -- Matti Narkia Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Useful Info Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Dichloroacetate (DCA) is a cheap, proven cure for cancer Quote: Cheap it perhaps may be, I don't know about that, but it is very far from being proven, and could be dangerous. Clarification: It's proven in rats. DCA has been used for years to treat metabolic disorders in humans, so pharmaceutical grade DCA is safe. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor just Ed Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Dichloroacetate (DCA) is a cheap, proven cure for cancer On Apr 15, 7:58 am, "Useful Info" <useful_...@yahoo.com> wrote: Quote: Cheap it perhaps may be, I don't know about that, but it is very far from being proven, and could be dangerous. Clarification: It's proven in rats. Try again. Of the two articles you linked in this thread, one was in vitro (proves nothing) and the other showed smaller tumors (NOT A CURE) in rats. Quote: DCA has been used for years to treat metabolic disorders in humans, so pharmaceutical grade DCA is safe. DCA has been used for years to treat metabolic disorders in humans, so some hazards of pharmaceutical grade are known: http://www.thedcasite.com/dca_side_effects_cancer_treatment.html http://www.thedcasite.com/dca_safety.html Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jeff Guest Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Dichloroacetate (DCA) is a cheap, proven cure for cancer "Useful Info" <useful_inf@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1176640217.000822.128450@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... Quote: Full story at http://Muvy.org I saw that DCA decreased the size of tumors in rats (decreased size is not the same as cure) and it worked in test tubes, which doesn't mean it has any activity in humans. DCA has not been shown to be the least bit helpful in human cancer. Jeff Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jeff Guest Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Dichloroacetate (DCA) is a cheap, proven cure for cancer "Useful Info" <useful_inf@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1176641903.971144.296340@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... Quote: Cheap it perhaps may be, I don't know about that, but it is very far from being proven, and could be dangerous. Clarification: It's proven in rats. Further clarification: it is proven to decrease tumor size. It has not been prove to achieve a cure in rats. Quote: DCA has been used for years to treat metabolic disorders in humans, so pharmaceutical grade DCA is safe. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Dichloroacetate (DCA) is a cheap, proven cure for cancer On Apr 16, 9:37 am, "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote: Quote: "Useful Info" <useful_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1176641903.971144.296340@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... Cheap it perhaps may be, I don't know about that, but it is very far from being proven, and could be dangerous. Clarification: It's proven in rats. Further clarification: it is proven to decrease tumor size. It has not been prove to achieve a cure in rats. DCA has been used for years to treat metabolic disorders in humans, so pharmaceutical grade DCA is safe.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't believe in all clinical trials. The FDA makes a lot of fake studies because the drug companies bribe them to. Think about it. Forbes 500, top ten, 4 of them are drug companies. With so much money and power it is easy to give the FDA a good cut of the hundreds of billions of the dollars these drug companies make. DCA is safe. The studies that prove it to be safe are suppressed by the FDA and the news media which gets a cut from the drug compaanies. The FDA is a fraud. They don't want you to be healthy. Otherwise, they wont make money the drug companies make off of unhealthy americans. Don't forget. DCA is not patentable. Anything that cheap and available, or natural, is not patentable. Infact, the FDA sues you if you claim to have a natural way to cure cancer. "The U.S. Food and Drug Administration, under sharp criticism for its drug safety behavior involving anti-inflammatory drugs, antidepressants, and the silencing of its own drug safety scientists, has been offered a new name today: the Fraud and Drug Administration. The winning name was chosen from among hundreds of entries submitted by health consumers fed up with the FDA's apparent mission to protect the profits of drug companies. Other name ideas submitted by health consumers include: Faster Death to Americans Failure to Defend Americans Fact Distortion Agency Fund Dubya's Administration Forever Drug Americans Fraudulent Drug Approvals Furtherment of Disease Alliance Farcical Drug Authority Federal Disinformation Association Favoring Draconian Actions Federal Drug Advocates Facilitating the Drugging of America Falsify and Distort Agency Fatal Death Agency The contest was initiated by NewsTarget.com editor Mike Adams, a consumer advocate and outspoken critic of the FDA who has called for a criminal investigation of the FDA and Vioxx manufacturer Merck. Just this week, the U.S. Justice Department launched a criminal investigation into Merck's apparent cover-up in neglecting to pull Vioxx off the market even though the company was apparently aware that the drug substantially increased the risk of heart attacks, strokes and sudden death, according to internal emails published by the Wall Street Journal. The FDA is also under intense scrutiny by legislators. In recent Senate hearings, medical scientist David Graham, who conducts drug safety research for the FDA, described the agency as "incapable of protecting America." He also stated his belief that Vioxx may be responsible for well over 100,000 heart attacks and strokes, not the 27,000 that has been widely reported. Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., has called for new oversight of the FDA, asserting that the agency has misled the American public on multiple occasions. NewsTarget.com readers have been following the ongoing Merck / FDA scandal through a series of blogs and commentary posted by Adams, a 35 year old holistic nutritionist who pubicly posts his own blood chemistry lab results as proof that Americans don't need prescription drugs to be healthy. (His own LDL cholesterol is 67.) Adams characterizes the FDA / drug company cooperation as a "drug racket" designed to squeeze consumers for profits at the expense of public safety. "I was ecstatic to see the level of participation in this FDA naming contest," Adams explained. "It indicates there is widespread discontent among the public concerning the FDA's actions on Vioxx and other drugs. It says that the American public is fed up with being lied to by the FDA and drug companies. The people are demanding serious FDA reform." " This proves that the FDA doesn't give a sh*t about side effects and is do anything possible to make DCA look bad. Just look at todays commercials. Drugs for depression, ADD, all have a bunch of serious side effects and lots of deaths. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Bonzo Lies. Killfile the Guest Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Leading TheoCon nutter Jerry Falwell is dead http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i18822 Leading TheoCon nutter Jerry Falwell is dead image for Leading TheoCon nutter Jerry Falwell is dead Mine eyes have sen the glory of the coming of the Lord! Virginia - (Ass Mess): Leading TheoCon nutter Reverend Jerry Falwell died today aged 73 amid repeated warnings that the Lord would smite him down for his lifetime's dedication to reviling feminists, gays and lesbians, pagans, libertarians and anybody who disagreed with him or called out his protegee George Bush as a psychopathic hired killer hellbent on destroying the US Constituiton. Falwell devoted his life to hiding behind a smokescreen he called the Moral Majority while peddling superstitious afterlife hogwash via televised evangelism that lined his pockets and gained him access to US organised crime cartels run by the Bush family evil empire. It took years for him to admit his own family background was rooted in gangster culture of the Depression. His father, Carey Falwell, a Lynchburg mobster and career alcoholic who shot and killed his brother Garland during a drunken brawl in 1931, was involved in illegal liquor distillation and distribution during the Prohibition. Falwell grew up determined to revinvent himself as something better than the slimebag family he was rooted from and took to the world oldest profession of whoring for patriarchy like a duck to water. But his business dealings were tainted with corruption and disaster and he never quite recovered his poise after the bad publicity surrounding financial scandals such as those involving God-squad fraudsters Jim and Tammy Bakker. Each time the headlines proclaimed him a crook he turned up the volume on his hatred of those whose lifestyles he couldn't control: pagans, feminists, gays and lesbians, pro-choice professionals and libertarians such as members of the ACLU. When the pressure of the magnifying glass on his own corruption became too great Falwell took a swipe at his own self-hate by blaming 9/11 on those who knew him to be a liar on fellow-TheoCon nutter Pat Robertson's TV show the 700 Club: "I really believe that the pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays and lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way - all of them who tried to secularize America - they are the ones behind the 9/11 atrocity." His tirade was described by the CIA and by NATO military intelligence as the desperate rant of a serial denier who sought sanctuary with the Bushes for a lifetime of accrued corruption chagrges that the Securities And Exchange Commission had collected aganist him. Falwell's NATO military intelligence file remains classified for the duration of George Herbert Bush's lifetime after which it is guaranteed to open a can of worms so insidious that it will make Alaska's Corrupt Bastards Club seem like a kindergarten play group by comparison. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Steph Guest Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Dichloroacetate (DCA) is a cheap, proven cure for cancer <aeropete1@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1179295765.321910.219890@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com... Quote: On Apr 16, 9:37 am, "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote: "Useful Info" <useful_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1176641903.971144.296340@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... Cheap it perhaps may be, I don't know about that, but it is very far from being proven, and could be dangerous. Clarification: It's proven in rats. Further clarification: it is proven to decrease tumor size. It has not been prove to achieve a cure in rats. DCA has been used for years to treat metabolic disorders in humans, so pharmaceutical grade DCA is safe.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't believe in all clinical trials. The FDA makes a lot of fake studies because the drug companies bribe them to. Think about it. Forbes 500, top ten, 4 of them are drug companies. With so much money and power it is easy to give the FDA a good cut of the hundreds of billions of the dollars these drug companies make. DCA is safe. The studies that prove it to be safe are suppressed by the FDA and the news media which gets a cut from the drug compaanies. The FDA is a fraud. They don't want you to be healthy. Otherwise, they wont make money the drug companies make off of unhealthy americans. Don't forget. DCA is not patentable. Anything that cheap and available, or natural, is not patentable. Infact, the FDA sues you if you claim to have a natural way to cure cancer. The FDA doesn't do ANY clinical trials. But let's not let facts get in the way Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Dichloroacetate (DCA) is a cheap, proven cure for cancer On May 16, 2:27 am, "Steph" <s...@vancouvers.island> wrote: Quote: aerope...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1179295765.321910.219890@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Apr 16, 9:37 am, "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote: "Useful Info" <useful_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1176641903.971144.296340@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... Cheap it perhaps may be, I don't know about that, but it is very far from being proven, and could be dangerous. Clarification: It's proven in rats. Further clarification: it is proven to decrease tumor size. It has not been prove to achieve a cure in rats. DCA has been used for years to treat metabolic disorders in humans, so pharmaceutical grade DCA is safe.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't believe in all clinical trials. The FDA makes a lot of fake studies because the drug companies bribe them to. Think about it. Forbes 500, top ten, 4 of them are drug companies. With so much money and power it is easy to give the FDA a good cut of the hundreds of billions of the dollars these drug companies make. DCA is safe. The studies that prove it to be safe are suppressed by the FDA and the news media which gets a cut from the drug compaanies. The FDA is a fraud. They don't want you to be healthy. Otherwise, they wont make money the drug companies make off of unhealthy americans. Don't forget. DCA is not patentable. Anything that cheap and available, or natural, is not patentable. Infact, the FDA sues you if you claim to have a natural way to cure cancer. The FDA doesn't do ANY clinical trials. But let's not let facts get in the way- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I meant to say they don't accept bullsh*t studies in which say there are minimal side affects, but then hundreds of thousands of people die when that drug the FDA lets them into the market because of the studies scientists made and got paid by the pharmeceutical industries to make trials look much better then they are. The FDA regulates the trials. If hundreds of thousands of people are dieing from what the FDA participated in (not made) then that is simply why DCA will never be approved because the FDA has nobody to file lawsuits over to make tons money just like they do on pharmaceutical companies. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Dichloroacetate (DCA) is a cheap, proven cure for cancer On May 16, 2:27 am, "Steph" <s...@vancouvers.island> wrote: Quote: aerope...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1179295765.321910.219890@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Apr 16, 9:37 am, "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote: "Useful Info" <useful_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1176641903.971144.296340@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... Cheap it perhaps may be, I don't know about that, but it is very far from being proven, and could be dangerous. Clarification: It's proven in rats. Further clarification: it is proven to decrease tumor size. It has not been prove to achieve a cure in rats. DCA has been used for years to treat metabolic disorders in humans, so pharmaceutical grade DCA is safe.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't believe in all clinical trials. The FDA makes a lot of fake studies because the drug companies bribe them to. Think about it. Forbes 500, top ten, 4 of them are drug companies. With so much money and power it is easy to give the FDA a good cut of the hundreds of billions of the dollars these drug companies make. DCA is safe. The studies that prove it to be safe are suppressed by the FDA and the news media which gets a cut from the drug compaanies. The FDA is a fraud. They don't want you to be healthy. Otherwise, they wont make money the drug companies make off of unhealthy americans. Don't forget. DCA is not patentable. Anything that cheap and available, or natural, is not patentable. Infact, the FDA sues you if you claim to have a natural way to cure cancer. The FDA doesn't do ANY clinical trials. But let's not let facts get in the way- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - On May 16, 3:21 am, aerope...@hotmail.com wrote: Quote: On May 16, 2:27 am, "Steph" <s...@vancouvers.island> wrote: aerope...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1179295765.321910.219890@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Apr 16, 9:37 am, "Jeff" <n...@googlemail.com> wrote: "Useful Info" <useful_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1176641903.971144.296340@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... Cheap it perhaps may be, I don't know about that, but it is very far from being proven, and could be dangerous. Clarification: It's proven in rats. Further clarification: it is proven to decrease tumor size. It has not been prove to achieve a cure in rats. DCA has been used for years to treat metabolic disorders in humans, so pharmaceutical grade DCA is safe.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't believe in all clinical trials. The FDA makes a lot of fake studies because the drug companies bribe them to. Think about it. Forbes 500, top ten, 4 of them are drug companies. With so much money and power it is easy to give the FDA a good cut of the hundreds of billions of the dollars these drug companies make. DCA is safe. The studies that prove it to be safe are suppressed by the FDA and the news media which gets a cut from the drug compaanies. The FDA is a fraud. They don't want you to be healthy. Otherwise, they wont make money the drug companies make off of unhealthy americans. Don't forget. DCA is not patentable. Anything that cheap and available, or natural, is not patentable. Infact, the FDA sues you if you claim to have a natural way to cure cancer. The FDA doesn't do ANY clinical trials. But let's not let facts get in the way- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I meant to say they don't accept bullsh*t studies in which say there are minimal side affects, but then hundreds of thousands of people die when that drug the FDA lets them into the market because of the studies scientists made and got paid by the pharmeceutical industries to make trials look much better then they are. The FDA regulates the trials. If hundreds of thousands of people are dieing from what the FDA participated in (not made) then that is simply why DCA will never be approved because the FDA has nobody to file lawsuits over to make tons money just like they do on pharmaceutical companies.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The FDA has once again been caught red-handed ignoring the dangers of a widely-prescribed drug and compromising the health of millions. Internal email messages have now surfaced about how the FDA pushed the antibiotic drug Ketek despite urgent warnings from its senior drug safety scientists. The details of this scandal further highlight the dubious operations of the Food and Drug Administration, which consistently places the profits of drug companies as a higher priority than public health. Ketek was approved under suspicious circumstances in the first place. A key clinical trial for the drug, involving 24,000 patients, was repeatedly found to be fraudulent, according to FDA investigators. One FDA document concluded that Sanofi-Aventis hid safety dangers from the FDA -- dangers the FDA later discovered on its own. One FDA safety scientist, Dr. Cooper, wrote, "I tried to argue that given Aventis's track record in which they have proven themselves to be nontrustworthy that we have to consider the possibility that they are intentionally doing a poor job of collecting the postmarketing data to protect their drug sales." Dr. David Graham added, "For F.D.A. to refer to its being reassured by postmarketing data from Latin America and Europe as a basis for declaring 'Ketek is safe' is in my opinion a great abuse of such surveillance data." Yet the drug was approved anyway, and the FDA now cites a known fraudulent study to defend the drug and argue against its withdrawal. Four FDA safety officials (Dr. Charles Cooper, Dr. David Ross, Dr. Rosemary Johann-Liang and Dr. David Graham) ultimately sounded the alarm over Ketek's safety in internal emails. As now seems routine at the FDA, they were ignored. (See The Rise and Fall of Rezulin to see another such example.) A drug that can kill More than five million prescriptions have been written for Ketek since its approval in the United States. Ketek can cause loss of consciousness, blurred vision, and in rare circumstances, even death. It has so far been linked to liver failure in fourteen adults, four of which have died. Twenty-three more suffered serious liver injury. Given that the reporting of drug side effects remains voluntary in the United States, it is possible that the actual number of people harmed by Ketek is ten to twenty times larger. Senior FDA drug safety scientist Dr. David Graham -- best known for blowing the whistle on Vioxx -- is now recommending that the agency pull Ketek from shelves. The drug, Dr. Graham explains, is at least as toxic to the liver as three other drugs that have been pulled by the FDA. Furthermore, the FDA's original approval of the drug was based on a safety study that FDA officials knew was fraudulent. The FDA's approval of Ketek, Dr. Graham wrote in a June 16 email, was a mistake. "It's as if every principle governing the review and approval of new drugs was abandoned or suspended where telithromycin [Ketek] is concerned," he wrote. "We don't really know if the drug works; no one is claiming it works better than other, safer drugs; and we're flying blind as far as safety goes, except for our own A.D.R. data that suggests telithromycin is uniquely more toxic than most other drugs." He concluded by recommending the drug be withdrawn. In response, Aventis, the company that manufactures Ketek, announced it was adding a warning to the drug's label. It's the standard response of drug companies and FDA officials to any dangerous drug: Slap a warning label on the drug and call it "safe enough." Warning labels, however, don't make drugs any safer. They only provide a justification for the continued promotion of drugs that even some of the FDA's own scientists believe should be withdrawn from the marketplace. "It's no surprise to learn that the F.D.A. didn't listen to Dr. Graham on the dangers of Ketek," said Sen. Charles Grassley. "The F.D.A. has made it their business to discredit Dr. Graham and others who aren't willing to cater to the drug companies." Sen. Grassley is a frequent observer and critic of FDA activity, and has worked on legislation to reform the agency. How long will FDA fraud be allowed to continue? While Ketek in no way appears to be more dangerous than drugs like Rezulin or Vioxx, its approval and defense within the FDA serves as yet another example of FDA officials covering their eyes and refusing to see the dangers of the drug when there's so much money to be made from selling it. Pleasing Big Pharma is unquestionably the FDA's top priority these days, and any idea of actually protecting the public remains a distant memory. The FDA not only routinely approves and defends dangerous prescription drugs (much to the delight of drug companies), it also goes out of its way to discredit and outlaw nutritional supplements, herbal medicine and anything tied to alternative medicine (also much to the delight of drug companies). Rather than regulating Big Pharma, the FDA has now become its greatest promoter. The FDA's power is based on censorship and intimidation, not education and empowerment. On numerous occasions, the agency has attempted to censor and / or intimidate its own scientists, including Dr. David Graham who was nearly silenced before he could testify to Congress about the dangers of Vioxx. The greatest threat to our safety isn't terrorism As I have stated many times, I believe the Food and Drug Administration is currently the greatest threat to the health and safety of the American people, far outweighing the threat of terrorism or violent crime. Over one hundred thousand Americans are killed each year by FDA-approved prescription drugs, and well over two million are harmed. Each year, FDA-approved drugs kill more Americans than died in the Vietnam War plus the 9/11 terrorism events combined. Yet astonishingly, the FDA believes that too much information about the dangers of drugs is being communicated to the public by drug safety officials like Dr. David Graham. If the FDA had its way, all such information would be permanently censored, the public would never be warned about drug dangers, and, in fact, the public would be denied the right to sue drug companies for harm caused by FDA-approved prescription drugs. The Ketek fiasco is merely the latest in a long history of FDA negligence and fraud that makes the agency a genuine threat to the health and safety of the American people. 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