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Charlie Kroeger
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 Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:41 am Post subject: Re: Latest info on CCD |
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Adam Finkelstein wrote:
Maybe this is good research but you know this Nosema ceranae was discovered
on Asian bees in 1996. Why didn't they collapse? In our part of the world as
you know Nosema Apis is associated with hives that become weak for some
reason and take their place among other predatory organisms when hive
defense is overcome.
read this:
http://www.moraybeekeepers.co.uk/nosema.htm
As you can see hives that die off from this particular parasite pile up with
dead bees i.e. the hives are not empty as in the case of CCD.
Another thing and not to cast aspersions on the great man Joe DeRisi, but
he's got to be bucking for that Nobel prize. Let us hope he gets it.
I think too many Americans in particular and Europeans in general are really
too comfortable to entertain any thoughts that may involve a colossal global
screwup that was allowed to occur simply to enrich a few companies that
helped get sympathetic politicians elected and will continue refusing to
acknowledge the big picture is really murky.
cheer up maybe I'm wrong.
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Adam Finkelstein
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Latest info on CCD |
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In article <5acg5uF2o4ukgU1@mid.individual.net>,
Charlie Kroeger <ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com> wrote:
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Maybe this is good research but you know this Nosema ceranae was discovered
on Asian bees in 1996. Why didn't they collapse? In our part of the world as
you know Nosema Apis is associated with hives that become weak for some
reason and take their place among other predatory organisms when hive
defense is overcome.
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There are also associated Virus that might be synergizing with the Nosema:
with weakened immune systems, stressed bees die.
Adam
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Charlie Kroeger
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:59 am Post subject: Re: Latest info on CCD |
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Adam Finkelstein wrote:
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There are also associated Virus that might be synergizing with the Nosema:
with weakened immune systems, stressed bees die.
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Would that be black queen-cell virus that's associated with Nosema or some
other virus unknown? Anyway, the bees pile up in the hive. The most curious
thing about this CCD business is the missing bees, it's like they're going
out and being killed before coming back to the hive. In this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosema_ceranae
The Spanish seem to have things figured out pretty well, just apply
fumagillen and our troubles are over. What do you think when somebody writes
this:
Without doubt, the most significant between the two types is just how
quickly N. ceranae can cause a colony to collapse. Bees die within 8 days
after exposure to N. ceranae which is faster than bees exposed to N. apis.
The foraging force seems to be affected the most. They leave the colony and
are too weak to return, thus dying in the field. This leaves behind a small
cluster and a weak colony. There is little advice on treatment but it has
been suggested that the most effective control of Nosema ceranae is the
antibiotic fumagillin as recommended for Nosema apis.
How would you know the precise day for instance a hive was 'exposed' to N.
ceranae? When I read stuff like that a red flag goes up. Any thoughts on
this pronouncement?
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Latest info on CCD |
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Charlie Kroeger wrote:
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Adam Finkelstein wrote:
There are also associated Virus that might be synergizing with the Nosema:
with weakened immune systems, stressed bees die.
Would that be black queen-cell virus that's associated with Nosema or some
other virus unknown? Anyway, the bees pile up in the hive. The most curious
thing about this CCD business is the missing bees, it's like they're going
out and being killed before coming back to the hive. In this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosema_ceranae
The Spanish seem to have things figured out pretty well, just apply
fumagillen and our troubles are over. What do you think when somebody writes
this:
Without doubt, the most significant between the two types is just how
quickly N. ceranae can cause a colony to collapse. Bees die within 8 days
after exposure to N. ceranae which is faster than bees exposed to N. apis.
The foraging force seems to be affected the most. They leave the colony and
are too weak to return, thus dying in the field. This leaves behind a small
cluster and a weak colony. There is little advice on treatment but it has
been suggested that the most effective control of Nosema ceranae is the
antibiotic fumagillin as recommended for Nosema apis.
How would you know the precise day for instance a hive was 'exposed' to N.
ceranae? When I read stuff like that a red flag goes up. Any thoughts on
this pronouncement?
It is my understanding that they deliberately exposed test colonies to |
Nosema Ceranae, so they would be well aware of the precise day !!
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:25 am Post subject: Re: Latest info on CCD |
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It is my understanding that they deliberately exposed test >colonies to Nosema Ceranae, so they would be well aware of the >precise day !!
Ben.
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