Agriculture Industry Agriculture Industry    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Tree Planting Advice Please          Agriculture Industry Forum Index -> Agriculture Industry View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Guest Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:50 am    Post subject: Tree Planting Advice Please Hi - I would like to fill my 5 acres of dirt with trees. I was going to start with seeds. Instead of trying to plant the whole 5 acres and haul water all over the place, what do you thing of planting everything in tight rows to begin and then transplanting later. The rows would be wide enough for a rototiller, but the seeds would be very close (1 or 2 feet). This would give a manageable area to maintain until the trees are a foot tall. Any thoughts? Thanks. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:05 am    Post subject: Re: Tree Planting Advice Please On Mar 13, 7:50 pm, wdoe...@yahoo.com wrote: Will they all be the same species? If not, different species of trees, obviously, grow to different sizes, and some trees like the shade of others (Dogswoods in particular), so their positioning to each other and the sun is important. But besides that, rows of trees won't look very natural when reach mature size. That said, I say mix them up and mark each planting with a stake instead of doing rows. Finally, instead of running a rototiller between the plantings to keep, I'm assuming, the the weeds down, you're better MUCH better off with a 3-foot circle of mulch around each planting. Patrick Quote: Hi - I would like to fill my 5 acres of dirt with trees. I was going to start with seeds. Instead of trying to plant the whole 5 acres and haul water all over the place, what do you thing of planting everything in tight rows to begin and then transplanting later. The rows would be wide enough for a rototiller, but the seeds would be very close (1 or 2 feet). This would give a manageable area to maintain until the trees are a foot tall. Any thoughts? Thanks. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor dstaples Guest Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Tree Planting Advice Please <wdoe999@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1173833411.508186.237680@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... Quote: Hi - I would like to fill my 5 acres of dirt with trees. I was going to start with seeds. Instead of trying to plant the whole 5 acres and haul water all over the place, what do you thing of planting everything in tight rows to begin and then transplanting later. The rows would be wide enough for a rototiller, but the seeds would be very close (1 or 2 feet). This would give a manageable area to maintain until the trees are a foot tall. Any thoughts? Thanks. Buy trees from the state nursery, they are already one year old, easy to transplant, and depending on species, should run you about $50 to $75 per acre. Easier, and in the long run (considering labor) cheaper. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Jangchub Guest Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:26 am    Post subject: Re: Tree Planting Advice Please On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:10:00 -0600, "dstaples" <dstaples@livingston.net> wrote: Quote: wdoe999@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1173833411.508186.237680@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... Hi - I would like to fill my 5 acres of dirt with trees. I was going to start with seeds. Instead of trying to plant the whole 5 acres and haul water all over the place, what do you thing of planting everything in tight rows to begin and then transplanting later. The rows would be wide enough for a rototiller, but the seeds would be very close (1 or 2 feet). This would give a manageable area to maintain until the trees are a foot tall. Any thoughts? Thanks. Buy trees from the state nursery, they are already one year old, easy to transplant, and depending on species, should run you about $50 to $75 per acre. Easier, and in the long run (considering labor) cheaper. And, you can plant them into containers and use dripline watering till you are ready to plant them. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Sheldon Guest Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:38 am    Post subject: Re: Tree Planting Advice Please On Mar 13, 8:50�pm, wdoe...@yahoo.com wrote: Quote: Hi - I would like to fill my 5 acres of dirt with trees.  I was going to start with seeds. Instead of trying to plant the whole 5 acres and haul water all over the place, what do you thing of planting everything in tight rows to begin and then transplanting later.  The rows would be wide enough for a rototiller, but the seeds would be very close (1 or 2 feet).  This would give a manageable area to maintain until the trees are a foot tall.  Any thoughts?  Thanks. You'd need to be extremely young if you plant seed. It'll be like ten years before a seed goes from seed to a 1"-2" caliper wanna-be tree... and that's for most trees worth growing. Without knowing where your land is located it is difficult to offer more meaningful advice other than a lot of wild speculation. It would be helpful to know where but also very helful to know what, like what exactly do you want to accomplish... an evergreen forest, hardwoods/nut n' fruit, wildlife refuge, specimen plantings, etc.... plus what kind of soil and moisture availability exists. All other parameters aside, I strongly recommend you forget the planting trees from seed concept, not for five acres. I know I couldn't, the wildlife would make quick work of those seeds. I recommend sapplings but still you will need to fence them or they won't be there 24 hours later... I know any I planted would be eaten by deer that first evening. If they'll grow in your zone I think softwoods are your best bet... Norway and blue spruce make a nice mix, with some dogwood peppered about. Other trees will be planted by wildlife dropping seed, especially birds... the trick is to get a habitat forest started quickly, then the progression will take care of itself. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor BR Guest Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: Tree Planting Advice Please Sheldon wrote: Quote: On Mar 13, 8:50�pm, wdoe...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi - I would like to fill my 5 acres of dirt with trees. �I was going to start with seeds. Instead of trying to plant the whole 5 acres and haul water all over the place, what do you thing of planting everything in tight rows to begin and then transplanting later. �The rows would be wide enough for a rototiller, but the seeds would be very close (1 or 2 feet). �This would give a manageable area to maintain until the trees are a foot tall. �Any thoughts? �Thanks. You'd need to be extremely young if you plant seed. It'll be like ten years before a seed goes from seed to a 1"-2" caliper wanna-be tree... and that's for most trees worth growing. Without knowing where your land is located it is difficult to offer more meaningful advice other than a lot of wild speculation. It would be helpful to know where but also very helful to know what, like what exactly do you want to accomplish... an evergreen forest, hardwoods/nut n' fruit, wildlife refuge, specimen plantings, etc.... plus what kind of soil and moisture availability exists. All other parameters aside, I strongly recommend you forget the planting trees from seed concept, not for five acres. I know I couldn't, the wildlife would make quick work of those seeds. I recommend sapplings but still you will need to fence them or they won't be there 24 hours later... I know any I planted would be eaten by deer that first evening. If they'll grow in your zone I think softwoods are your best bet... Norway and blue spruce make a nice mix, with some dogwood peppered about. Other trees will be planted by wildlife dropping seed, especially birds... the trick is to get a habitat forest started quickly, then the progression will take care of itself. Where I live, an old cornfield got reforested by white "paper" birch trees standing 10 feet tall in about 14 years naturally. Sugar maples grow fairly quickly as trees go too. If you want oak, figure on it being your children or grandchildren enjoying the mature trees. -- Remove the TOS star ship captain to send me a private message. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Rudy Canoza Guest Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: Tree Planting Advice Please BR wrote: Quote: Sheldon wrote: On Mar 13, 8:50�pm, wdoe...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi - I would like to fill my 5 acres of dirt with trees. �I was going to start with seeds. Instead of trying to plant the whole 5 acres and haul water all over the place, what do you thing of planting everything in tight rows to begin and then transplanting later. �The rows would be wide enough for a rototiller, but the seeds would be very close (1 or 2 feet). �This would give a manageable area to maintain until the trees are a foot tall. �Any thoughts? �Thanks. You'd need to be extremely young if you plant seed. It'll be like ten years before a seed goes from seed to a 1"-2" caliper wanna-be tree... and that's for most trees worth growing. Without knowing where your land is located it is difficult to offer more meaningful advice other than a lot of wild speculation. It would be helpful to know where but also very helful to know what, like what exactly do you want to accomplish... an evergreen forest, hardwoods/nut n' fruit, wildlife refuge, specimen plantings, etc.... plus what kind of soil and moisture availability exists. All other parameters aside, I strongly recommend you forget the planting trees from seed concept, not for five acres. I know I couldn't, the wildlife would make quick work of those seeds. I recommend sapplings but still you will need to fence them or they won't be there 24 hours later... I know any I planted would be eaten by deer that first evening. If they'll grow in your zone I think softwoods are your best bet... Norway and blue spruce make a nice mix, with some dogwood peppered about. Other trees will be planted by wildlife dropping seed, especially birds... the trick is to get a habitat forest started quickly, then the progression will take care of itself. Where I live, an old cornfield got reforested by white "paper" birch trees standing 10 feet tall in about 14 years naturally. Sugar maples grow fairly quickly as trees go too. If you want oak, figure on it being your children or grandchildren enjoying the mature trees. Depends on what you mean by "mature". When I moved into a house in Altadena, CA in June 1990, there was an oak sapling underneath a centuries-old oak tree in the front yard. The sapling probably had a diameter at the base of about an inch and a half, at the most. Unknown to me at the time (the seller was a crook who concealed significant material damage to the house), the old oak tree was diseased, and I had to have it removed some time around 1994. The tree removal crew managed not to damage the young sapling. I sold the house in 2000. Today, that former sapling has a base a good nine inches (at least) in diameter, and the tree is close to 17 feet tall, and about as wide. It obviously has a good way to go to match its parent, which had an oblong trunk about six feet in one dimension and about four feet in the perpendicular direction at the base, but it is well on its way. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Goedjn Guest Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Tree Planting Advice Please On 13 Mar 2007 17:50:11 -0700, wdoe999@yahoo.com wrote: Quote: Hi - I would like to fill my 5 acres of dirt with trees. I was going to start with seeds. Instead of trying to plant the whole 5 acres and haul water all over the place, what do you thing of planting everything in tight rows to begin and then transplanting later. The rows would be wide enough for a rototiller, but the seeds would be very close (1 or 2 feet). This would give a manageable area to maintain until the trees are a foot tall. Any thoughts? Thanks. To what end? Are you looking for a tree-farm, low maintenance yardage, a privacy barrier, an orchard, a nursery, or animal habitat? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor symplastless Guest Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:25 am    Post subject: Re: Tree Planting Advice Please I agree with Patrick Contact some local tree people and see if you can get wood chips delivered. Leave them in a pile for a year and then you will have some great mulch. I would stay away from fresh chips. Look up mulch http://www.treedictionary.com/ Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. <NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message news:1173834332.808280.277320@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... Quote: On Mar 13, 7:50 pm, wdoe...@yahoo.com wrote: Will they all be the same species? If not, different species of trees, obviously, grow to different sizes, and some trees like the shade of others (Dogswoods in particular), so their positioning to each other and the sun is important. But besides that, rows of trees won't look very natural when reach mature size. That said, I say mix them up and mark each planting with a stake instead of doing rows. Finally, instead of running a rototiller between the plantings to keep, I'm assuming, the the weeds down, you're better MUCH better off with a 3-foot circle of mulch around each planting. Patrick Hi - I would like to fill my 5 acres of dirt with trees. I was going to start with seeds. Instead of trying to plant the whole 5 acres and haul water all over the place, what do you thing of planting everything in tight rows to begin and then transplanting later. The rows would be wide enough for a rototiller, but the seeds would be very close (1 or 2 feet). This would give a manageable area to maintain until the trees are a foot tall. Any thoughts? Thanks. 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